Boycott Denmark, urges ISESCO
Denmark.dk reports that the Islamic cultural organisation ISESCO has called on its 51 members to boycott Denmark over the Mohammed cartoons. ISESCO claims that it “represents the cultural conscience of the Islamic world.”
Abdul Aziz Othman al-Twaijri, the organisation’s secretary general:
We encourage the organisation’s members to boycott Denmark both economically and politically until Denmark presents an official apology for the drawings that have offended the world’s Muslims.
Mr Dk proud,
If you really believe in freedom of expression you should nt deny us the right to get offended or not. It is not “YOU” who tell us what should offend us or not. We are free to get offended , we are free to boycott all danne products and we are even free to accept the apology or not…or do you think freedom of expression is only granteed to you guys..You really shock me with you biased behavior.
One mroe thing Dk, it is not just about that stupid cartoon u r referring too, there is a lot of hate crimes beside that stupid cartoon and together with that stupid cartoon are the reasone behind teh boycott.
Don’t you believe calling to elimnate muslims from western europe either by killign them or moving them out of europe is a hate crime and clear call to murder and kill muslim. What do you think? or you guys think that calling for killing muslims is part of freedom of speech. Here in the states it is a crime to target specific group of people and express your desire to elimnate them hmm we call it racisim.
Yehia, normally I would comment on your ravings, but I think they speak for themselves…
So I will restrict myself to noting that you clearly haven’t understood a single thing about freedom of speech. But in the end that’s your loss. I hope you will continue to enjoy living in unenlighted bliss.
Ups Yehia, I just found a false statement in your previous post. You wrote: “just like in the danish constitution u say not to insult the holocost or deny it…”
Now that is just pathetic, couldn’t you make up a more convincing lie than that. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DENY THE HOLOCAUST IN DENMARK, NEITHER THE CONSTITUTION, NOR ANY OTHER LAW FORBIDS SUCH DENIAL. Only common sense prevents people from denying holocaust, so I can see where you screwed up.
Dr.ibrahim firstly, there is no such thing as a “hate crime” under Danish law. A crime is a crime, regardless of who committed it, and regardless of who was targeted. The law does not care about the motives behind the crime, only whether the crime was committed or not. The reasoning behind this is that any crime is serious regardless of who was victimised by it.
Secondly I dare you, no I double dare you to present proof backing up your statement: “calling to elimnate muslims from western europe either by killign them or moving them out of europe is a hate crime and clear call to murder and kill muslim.” It seems to me someone didn’t do his homework properly. (But then again what did I expect…)
Dear Another Dane & One_sad_Dane
Thank you “Another Dane” for your compliment about enjoying my post and “One_sad_Dane” thank you for Not finding these drawings amusing. To you my friends am sending this post trying to make things clear to you and to every body else.
I will start by mentioning a verse which is written in our holy book (quran), it’s about how people were one nation and all messengers were sent to them to guide them to the true path, this is to certify how Muhammad and all other messengers were sent to all man kind not only to Muslims therefore respecting Muhammad, Jesus and other prophets is a must & should be done by Muslims and non-Muslims and no one should deny this.
The verse:
“Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed;
And the following is another verse describing how terrible is to mock at any messenger and how God punishes those who do such thing, these words are from God to our prophet Muhammad telling him that people who mock at him shall face the same destiny of those who mocked at prophets before him :
The verse:
“And messengers before you were certainly mocked at, but I granted respite to the unbelievers, and finally I punished them: Then how (terrible) was my requital!”
Am mentioning these verses because I want you to understand our point of view and why we are angry of those drawings, I know 100% that you didn’t know that drawing our messenger is prohibited, but you should respect our religion and believe because we respect yours and we are commanded to respect others religions and believes and not mock at them. So these verses are a mean to explain to you why such behaviors are unacceptable in our religion simply because God in our holy book prohibits them and punishes those who do them. These are commands from God and we as Muslims follow them and respect them. All prophets are great persons who did great things to all man kind and they should be honored and respected not mocked at.
I want to point out something, that we all here should try to clarify our points of view to each other and not be aggressive am sure that each of us has wrong ideas and believes about the other, like the idea you have about Muslims and how they do terrible things and as I told you before those who do such things do not represent Islam, our religion commands us to do only goods and useful deeds and prohibit killing & violence, God says in our holy book:
“Whosoever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and he who saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind”.
Now do you still believe that our religion is violent or approves any violent or aggressive deeds?
By the way am Palestinian and I assure you that we don’t despise any nation and we don’t support any harmful or violent behavior toward anybody, personally I love all nations and am not racist but when it comes to my religion I shouldn’t stay still and do nothing, I must protest not in any violent way but in a way that leads you at the end to respect and understand our religion and our believes .Our duty here as Muslims is to introduce you to our points and try to make you realize how such things are so important and vital in our culture and religion.
God you people are to much…Do you understand what this female muslim is writing ??? You apparently dont, course if you did you wouldnt keep acting like a child in this matter.
READ THIS LINK ITS WRITTEN BY A MUSLIM WITH A Objectiv view on freedom of speach :
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
Read it and if you dont understand english then have it translated….but stop this Stu.pid crusade you are on, its pointless and will only hurt yourself in the long run. Consentrate on more importen matters and let it be .
This is like …..if you cant get the man, take his brother ! Stupid and pointless. Move on and GROW UP.
Dear Nadia
I was not trying to depict the religion of Islam as a religion of violence that approves violence or aggressive deeds – if that was your understanding I must tell you you are very wrong and please read my post again.
Being a non religious man I have very little basis for entering into a religious discussion. And that might be the core of this entire “problemâ€. You (and others) see it as a matter of religion and I (and others) see it as matter of freedom of expression (ei. Democracy). Our stands are cultural and very different, so I’m sad to say that I very much doubt we will find common ground. We both make a stand on principle – for my part a principle that is of the essence of what a working democracy is – for your part a principle there is of the essence of your religion that guides your life.
So what do we do? Can we learn to live in respect of each others deferent cultural stands? – I would hope so… but right now it does not look good!
I understand your protest and I find it just that you protest given your beliefs – but you most also understand that I can not acknowledge your protest given my democratic values. I hope you understand this and will accept it. I accept and respect your beliefs and would never knowingly expose you to drawings that offend you but I will not stop making them if I find them necessary to the debate in Denmark and other countries of similar cultural stand.
I can only refer you to this article I find very explaining:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
Ps. I have come to understand that many “false†drawings are floating around and will say that the 12 Danish drawings do not depict Mohammed as gay, a pig, having sex… the must radical of them depict Mohammed with a bomb in his turban.
Pps. The drawings is not the opinion of the Danish government or the people but of the private new paper that printed them – and in Denmark it’s their democratic right to do so if they wish.
Another and very different thing is that the Danish flag (that is been burned and destroyed in different Muslim countries these days) is made up by a red base with a white cross – a symbol of the Danes Christianity.
Some of you ask how the Danish news paper can be so inconsiderate to insult Mohammed – well in the last couple of days many Muslims have been so inconsiderate to insult a Christian symbol as well!
– think that makes us about even on the marking of religious symbol front!
– Ironic is it not 😉
This has gone out of control… this escalating debat is no longer about offending drawings of the prophet, nor the lack of
respect towards others/religions. Its about saving face, or as muslims like to call it “honour”. Danish peoples can with pride in
their voices say that we as a country ALWAYS try to do what is consideret well. We are without a doubt one the leading countries
when it comes to human rights and fairness. EVERYONE IS EQUAL!
We are not fighting a war on oil in Iraq, but a war on human rights.
We did not draw 12 cartoons of the prophet to offend muslims in our country, nor to find out whether there are any fundamentalists
in the group of immigrants that are here. It was done to kick open a debat.
I will bet, that most danes didnt even know u were not allowed to draw mohamed, before
the “islamic trossamfund” (Danish muslims) made us aware of it.
The muslim organisations in denmark travelled to arab countries to collect sympathy!, i wish they would have stayed! such peoples
are not trying to be well integrated in OUR society as they should! They dont want to be DAnish! Their nationality is muslim!.
They are seeking conflict, because they are jalous of the Danish Country. They are jalous that they cant achieve what we have!
Look at the situation of where all the immigrants come from. its not peaches and cream, i guess thats WHY THEY MIGRATED TO DENMARK!
So to sum up. There will be NO official apology from the danish government, nor DENMARK. We might be a damn small country, with
a tiny population, but we have our hearts and our “HONOUR” ON THE GOOD SIDE!!!! (true Vikings!)
Who is to say, that GOOD, RESPECTFULL, TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT TO DRAW A PICTURE OF MOHAMMED???? is it the muslims in
Denmark who make up the law? I dont think so, and i will never NEVER NEVER let any religous book tell me how to live my
life in my Country!
Godspeed to my fellow Danes, and to my many respectfull Norweigan Brothers & Sisters!
Never give up this fight. its not more than 10 years ago, that muslims on the Television were swearing that they would take over the
world! Never
and everything we can offer.
what a bunch of cowards. U come to our country, we welcome you, we give you free education, money even tho you dont work,
We try to teach you, so that you can become DANISH!!! isnt that the reason you came here??? whos the hypocrit now???
I cant believe that Imam Abu Laban would go to such extremes. i personally do no longer welcome him here!
Ghost …its ONLY a muslin thats not allowed to draw Mohammed. Everyone else can, in the name of freedom do, draw or make what they want…thats a fact.
But every MUSLIM should read this before Yelling up so much :
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
If you judge all danes for a private News papers cartoons…hmmm then what should we Danes do about all your muslim people, Making threats against all danes, burning our flags and boycotting our products ??? If you muslim people are so unpleased with the west ….there is only one thing for you to do ….GO BACK HOME….STAY THERE …..KEEP EVERYTHING MUSLIM THERE AND DONT TAKE ANY HELP WHAT SO EVER FROM THE WEST ….NO FOOD….NO MONEY…NO ARMS AND NO MEDICIN…. and then see just where that will take you, but back in time….Do that …and good luck.
Members of any other religion would respond to media assaults with condemnation and castigation.
Only muslims retaliate with symbol torching, bombing threats, and hostile embassy takeovers.
I saw the caricature – an accurate depiction of a violent culture.
I think its ok they (the f…. muslims) boycott Denmark…if they (all of them) would only follow their
ambassadors and leave Denmark i´d be thrilled….its funny how it works….they like to live in Denmark
and they LOVE the money they get from the state but they wont do anything for it.
I say….fuck ´em all.
Democracy rules
To mr. Yehia
You are one hateful man, I read your posts on other forums aswell, you leave no openings, you leave no chance of peace other then the one converte to islam.
Lets get the fact straight, the only reason the UN Peacerkeeper troops from Denmark wasn’t allowed to attack and fight a war in Kosovo, was that the UN did not allow for such actions, you must understand that we live by the law we help create, it may be faulty, but we do live by it and we do correct it when faults are found.
I doubt your the one who has to work for your food each day, the one who had a one point needed the humaniterian help from another country, you probably live quiet good and just see this an opitunity to further your own interest and place of power.
To Nadia,
I’m glad to see light in this debate and in the world, its people who cares and gives and effort to respect others, tho they may have taken a wrong step, forgivness is a key element to the world today, if you cannot forgive, their cannot be peace.
the link:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
was a different view and positive one, but their are forces here that benefit more from a conflict then a solution it seems.
And if its true about Imam Abu Laban and other radicals here in Denmark have falsely been giving misinfomation to the Islamic people and leaders, I hope they will not only be punished for their crimes here, but by a united Islamic world, lies and false cartoons have no place here.
/Peace
I think the muslim world is more offended by the fact that Danish people seem to welcome such offencive material. Freedom of expression is good but within the boundaries of politeness and mutual respect. Why is it difficult for Danish people to understand that if someone swear at you in the street then it’s a sign of agressiveness, disrespect and surely outside the boundaries of any freedom. Danish people have always been mature in their views regarding relations between race and religion. I ask every Danish person to think about it..Drawing the muslim prophet is offencive to muslims then it should not be done, simple! Same with young muslims who started showing disrespect to Denmark..don’t reply to the mistake by a mistake!
Observer….Why is it so hard for all you Muslim people to understand that what a news paper does, you cant blame all the danes for….Why is this so hard for you to understand??? That is the real issue here. For some reason you dont get it.
But maybe there is some good to all of this…you (the muslim) again shows and proves to the western world why we will and should keep fighting for freedom and that you guys isnt ready and adult enhough to be a part of that nor to share that (freedom) wil us. Its sad, but you are now showing us that again.
Everybody, we are not trying to create a conflict or a fight ,the last thing I would like to say is that we have the right to be angry since you all call for having the right to express your opinions freely .We do believe in freedom of expression but not when it hurts and humiliates others ,and because we don’t mock at anyone’s religion we expect the same from others ,and why choosing our prophet to mock at ,you know the world is full of things to mock at specially these days so why choosing to offend other’s culture and religion .We understand that these drawings don’t represent the opinion of all Danish people but we’re trying to clarify the reasons to you of why we felt angry of these drawings it’s our duty to let you know and your duty to understand our point of view .
To Another Dane:
I know you didn’t mention that Islam a violent religion, I mentioned this to those who believe in this idea One last thing mutual respect is not impossible, it should be the base of the relation between your nation and our nation, and believe me humiliating other’s religion and mocking at a great symbol in anyone’s religion and culture is not necessary for any debate in any place in the world, and I do appreciate your personal respect.
To Dani:
Calm down, we don’t want anybody here to have a heart attack.
Peace
Nadia….the muslim world did made this big thing out of it …and is making all the violent threats towards all danes. You should get them to Calm down…..we (danes) arent burning flags….we dont threaten to kill other people nor do we boycott anyone over some cartoons in a Private news paper. The muslim does that …and you talk about beeing a peace loving people ….am I the onlyone not seeing the peace in your actions towards the danes in this issue ???
Nadia…look at it from the danes point of view….we get threats on our lives …see our flags burned…some lose there jobs….our red cross people gets beaten up ….and see webpages where they threaten us with bombings in denmark ….all of this becourse a PRIVATE newspaper published 12 cartoons, a matter we (the Danes) had no say in …..do you think its us that needs to calm down ??? If you answer yes to that ….you need your head exsamined …
Dani,
Polls show that the majority of Danes don’t think your governement should apologise for the offence. In other words, the majority of Dane’s are happy for muslims to be offended!
I think you need to differentiate between the meaning of freedom and the meaning of politeness and respect. Sit down and think about it.
Observer…..you are right most of the danes, incl me, dont think we have to apologise for something a PRIVATE news PAPER did……do you apologise for what another muslim persons does ??? No, I dont think so. Get the picture now ???
That you can write a thing like that ….just shows that also you dont understand nor what to see what has happened here and what its all about. Get your facts correct before you act.
Another thing….all of this was made worse by the muslims, the Imans that lives in Denmark, by traveling to the muslim countries and spreading lies, showing pictures that wasnt even shown anywhere. Even the Imans now say that that it was wrong to do and will make a new trip to correct it.
Muslim people in Gaza, that hasnt even seen the drawings nor have all the facts are burning the Danish flag and make threats against the Danes. What is up with you people ??? Are you from this planet ???
I cant believe that the muslim people still dont get it, infact Im to the point of beeing speechless that so many people can be so ignorant and react like this.
If all of this keeps up …I hope that all humanitarian help from Denmark, in any form, will stop to all the countries that are acting out against the Danish people in this matter.
Adwise: To all muslim people….your beef is with the NewsPaper NOT the danes. WHEN WILL YOU GET IT ???
Dani,
I’m not asking Danes to apologise in behalf of the newspaper, the newspaper has already apologised for itself. Along with their support for freedom of expression, I want Dane’s to show their rejection to incitement of racial hatred. I have nothing against any Dane in person but where are the mature Danes who know that surely offending other beliefs (not just Islam) is wrong!
Observer….I can answer that very easy and in only 3 words….”Freedom of speech”…thats the answer you will get from me, any mature Dane and every one else living in the Free western world.
Everyone is allowed there view and speak of it …..as long as you dont threaten other people.
You talk of respect …. where is the muslims respect towards the danes ??? We didnt print the cartoons and should therefor not answer to what the PRIVATE newspaper did. Why is it that everywhere there are muslim people there is trouble ??? I rest my case !
I read part of a translation of the quran and that part said at acording to islam you arent supose to attack people that dont threaten you , we the Danes dont threaten people. AGAIN your beef is with the PRIVATE Newspaper, NOT THE DANISH PEOPLE.
But the very bad way the muslim world are handlingen this matter does not help matters.
I have read many webpages about this matter and from what I read, the muslims dont have much support in the western world your reaction is beeing joked about all over the world, I dont think that its helping your matters a lot.
Enough is enough, we all heard you, NOW BACK OFF !!!
Dani,
I didn’t like the way you talked to me at the beginning although I am trying to be understanding and polite in everything I say that’s why I was really mad. The fact that Danish people have nothing to do with this, is right and that fact that our protest is with the news paper and not with Danish people is also true and believe me I don’t support these threats which are directed to Danish people because I know that for these drawings No one should be blamed but the newspaper. You are saying that you have nothing to do with these drawings it’s true but we need you also Not to support these actions since you are aware now that it hurts and humiliate other people ,we need here mutual understanding and respect for each other. And as I mentioned before I do not support any violent action against Danish people but kindly show us that you don’t support such actions in order not to be part of it in our eyes specially that you know now that it really hurts us ,and trust me our religion don’t urge us to do any violent actions against anybody on the contrary it urges us to treat people kindly and peacefully to convince them with our points of view and open there eyes to see the truth, and one last thing any religious issue is important to us and we can’t stay still when we see somebody mock at our prophet who we all consider as our guide ,teacher and a great example for all man kind. And when I say Not standing still I mean to protest and ask whoever made these drawings to apologize and I don’t mean threatening and committing violent action against anybody but we also expect some support from Danish people on how they don’t support such actions against our religion.
Peace
Today bomb-threats were made to the offices of Jyllandsposten in Aarhus and Copenhagen, resulting in a mass-evacuation from both localities. I do hope that the muslims behind such actions, as well as those who might consider taking real actions against Danes or Danish interests, realise that they will reap what they sow. Violence will surely be met with violence, and while not many Danes live in muslim countries, almost 200.000 muslims live in Denmark. So who do all you pious people think will be made to suffer if any Danes are hurt? I wouldn’t want to be a muslim in Denmark if muslims start killing Danes.
But that seems to be the biggest problem, muslims have less regard for human lives than they do for the “honour” of a dead prophet. In Christianity as well as in Judaism human life stands before all else. In Islam human life is worthless, and why wouldn’t it be, if all you know is dictatorships, extremist clergy and violent regimes I guess the disreard for human life comes naturally.
Nadia….Im glad to hear you dont support the threats on the Danes….although its still a fact its beeing done …this evening an english speaking man called in a bomb threat to two places in Denmark…see where all of this is going ???
Regardless of the Danes agree or not ….making threats and boycotting Denmark …for what the News Paper did is not the right way to get attention. When that is said…the voice of one Dane is not the voice of all danes. Im sure there are Danes, aswell as other people for and against the drawings. But its still a fact that the muslim reaction and actions towards the Danes in this matter is wrong.
Another fact is that the News Paper alread apoligised and the Danish Goverment also stated that the NewsPaper doesnt represent the view of the Danih goverment. But that is still not enough to the Muslim world and now the muslim world wants our queen to apoligise…do you see how far out all of this is getting ???
the only solution I see to all of this is that muslim needs to get the muslim world to back off, before this goes beond the “point of no return” that would be a very bad thing for everyone.
Today I learned that muslim rebels in Iraq have issued a Fatwa against the Danish troops who are there as Denmark’s contribution to the Coalition. This shouldn’t really surprise anyone, as the issuing of Fatwas seems to be the standard answer to anything the muslims don’t like.
In honour of this latest Fatwa I have taken it upon myself to issue a Fatwa of my own.
I hereby decree that due to my blatantly apparent moral and ethical superiority to the Islamic extremists the following orders shall be carried out.
All Danish companies shall hire muslims only to carry out the most demeaning and trivial of tasks, and only if such tasks are rewarded with a low salary.
All Danish Universities and places of higher learning shall only accept one in a hundred muslims, and let even fewer graduate.
The Danish Police and Danish Courts shall arrest and convict muslims in such a number as to make them disproportionately represented in the various crime statistics (Sometimes by a ratio so disproportionate that they will be more than 1000 times more likely to commit certain crimes than native Danes)
The Danish Population shall treat muslims with contempt wherever they encounter them, leaving them to feel isolated both socially and economically.
So let it be written, so let it be done. My every command shall be carried out.
Wow, my Fatwa is already working….
‘Ibrahim’
Please don’t start a religion comparison debate. The vast majority of muslims respect all other religions and have lived amongst other religions for a long long time. Regarding killing and the value of life..may I just ask you to reflect on human inflicted tragedies in the past 50 years and you’ll see that you can not pin point one religion to violence. Let us all promote peace and condemn agression and hatred. This is the only option we have anyway.
Dani,
I’m glad you agree that what the newspaper did to attract attention is wrong. That’s all what i wanted to hear. Only if more sensible Danes like you say the same. Regarding muslims reaction being out of proportion, I don’t think it would have become such an issue if the Danish prime minister didn’t wait long to condemn the drawings. Having said that, i can only hope that the whole matter will settle down quickly before reaching a no-turning point as you said.
Observer….To your information the Danish prime minister is not in a posistion to condem the drawings, what he did say and only are allowed to say is that the drawing does not reflect the opinion of the Danish goverment. To condem them is against “the freedom speech”. And he did that very early, but again a fact that the muslim world didnt read about or was misinformed about, like a lot in this matter.
This matter should have been handled internal in Denmark, and the muslims here should have settled for trying the matter in a Danish court.
I dont agree with the what the News Paper did …that is not the same as saying the News Paper was wrong, dont put words in my mouth. I would never display any religion like that, no matter what religion it is. I respect everyone as a person and judge them by there actions. And when that is said, the muslim people are, by there actions and reaction in this matter about to lose my respect. Like the respect of a lot of the people I know in Denmark and around the world. You (the muslims) have blown this WAY out of proportion and YOU need to undo it. You got the apology from the News Paper and the word from the goverment, now its YOUR time to show good faith.
For people that still dont get it …READ THIS (Written by a muslim):
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=21654
hi all, danish, moslems and everyone else, for those whom not accepting to appologise we say we moslems re not allowed to draw our prophet mohammed peace be upon him, also your prophet peace be upon him, we re not allowed to draw any prophet, because we re not able to do this. let s stop talking about danish products and arab oil and all these stuff. for chritians i would like to say that a moslem is not becoming a moslem since he is not believing in jesus as well as all the other prophets.. why dont u respect our prophet as we do with urs.. if u have freedom to say and do what u want we moslems re not, bcos we have rules that we should follow and obey.. without hurting the others.. so plz for non moslems, do not think that we hate you.. we moslems have no right to say bad speech to u, we only say “god guides you to the right path” that s all.. so for moslems dont blame the other whatever he does..and for non moslems you all know what makes moslems upset of you, so respect us we respect you.
peace be with all of you
hi all, danish, moslems and everyone else, for those whom not accepting to appologise we say we moslems re not allowed to draw our prophet mohammed peace be upon him, also your prophet peace be upon him, we re not allowed to draw any prophet, because we re not able to do this. let s stop talking about danish products and arab oil and all these stuff. for chritians i would like to say that a moslem is not becoming a moslem since he is not believing in jesus as well as all the other prophets.. why dont u respect our prophet as we do with urs.. if u have freedom to say and do what u want we moslems re not, bcos we have rules that we should follow and obey.. without hurting the others.. so plz for non moslems, do not think that we hate you.. we moslems have no right to say bad speech to u, we only say “god guides you to the right path†that s all.. so for moslems dont blame the other whatever he does..and for non moslems you all know what makes moslems upset of you, so respect us we respect you.
peace be with all of you
To all the proud Danes, You don’t respect your religion, that’s your business. You cannot expect to disdain others’ religious beliefs and get away with it. And you won’t. That’s not a threat. It’s a fact. If Denmark, is more valuable to you than your God, this has two explanations. You are hypocrites for putting the cross across your falg, or you are simply lost souls to a miserable materialisitic existence. You reap what you sow
Dear Nadia and all
Thank you for your reply.
I believe many Danes take great issue with the fact that you and others seem to demand that we (the Danish government and the Danish people) distance our self from a action that has not been done by us (ei. the Danish government and the Danish people). We will not be threaten to take a stand on something we (ei. the Danish government and the Danish people) did not initiate.
You have already read my cultural post – so I will not repeat my self.
But respect and tolerance must work both ways! And these cartoons was an internal Danish matter with no reference to the Muslim countries – we must be allowed to practice our freedom of expression inside our own borders. Just as Muslims must be allowed to practice their religioun accourting to their standards inside their countries.
As we do not wish to impose our freedom of expression to your country you should not try to impose your religious standards on us! – the latter is what is happening right now and that is no way to show respect and tolerance for another culture.
We are a people critical toward religion and we will not be submitting our self to religious standards that have no justification in our democracy.
Ps. I greatly distance my self from the post by Ibrahim contemplating that terror attacks might result in any harm to Muslims in Denmark – but I must also stress that any attacks on Danish citizens (non Muslim or Muslim) will not be tolerated. —- Now settle down —-
Pps. D.D. please don’t sink to the same low as some fanatic groups have done – I understand your anger toward this idiotic groups but they are out of reach – and being a positivist I’m sure to say that they find no support from anybody in this bloc.
Moses …Thanks for displaying your ignorance on here. You are displaying that you still have no clue of what this is all about and apparently there is no hope of you getting the point.
All I can say to that is that I hope you dont go, live or buy any western things. If you dont like our values and laws then GO BACK HOME AND STAY THERE.
Is that simpel enough for you to understand ???
Another Dane have you completely lost your sense of humour? By your response to my post I almost get the impression that you have missed the entire point. The point being 1) nothing comes before the freedom of speech, 2) all fatwas are the result of brainless religious zealots and should be met with disdain. For gods sake get a grip, then get a sense of humour.
Now, would these here moronic muslims understand the concept of free speech? Not even in your dreams.
What happens if Iran becomes a nuclear power? Let´s not find out. Time for the Israelis to pay a visit.
D.D.
I read it as you were trying to be ironic I’m just not sure everybody else did – that’s why I wrote that post!
Hope you can understand that 😉
Ps. You writing this post to me has made it very clear that you were ironic – nobody can be in doubt now – and that’s good 🙂
Seems, like German, French and Islandic newspapers also have printet all or some of the drawings, so will this result in a boycott of them too, or is this simply a chance to fight the west, going for the small kid in the yard.
Having scanned through these messages all i can see is that you are all going to further offend and aggravate one another so why not go and find another past time?
“Al Kaafirun; You shall have your religion and I shall have mine”
Zahra
hi all,
am back here bcos i ve seen some other kinds of confrontations, i told you once not to blame anybody, for moslems or non moslems. and i saw an issue here, some1 says that the moslems in europe must return to their home, i would say to those that europeans re also living in our counties for exemple come to morocco and see how many tourists here and also how many live here..how many enjoy moroccan life and weather, would u accept to make them back home to european countires where some of them may die of cold these days.. so think twice b4 u speak..we re not in the stoon age, you are all much educated so dont think so fool.
peace be with all here
Another Dane.
No harm, no foul. I get that you get it, and am pleased. Humour rules supreme.
Zahra.
Allow me to respond by quoting someone of infinitely greater intellect than the nobody you chose to quote.
Tennessee Williams:”Screw You!”
Who are you to tell anyone what to do and what not to do?
I learned a lot going through all the above (well, except few notes that probably came out of anger or hate
from both sides). As a Muslim, I’ll never stay quite for any insult to Profit Muhammad (PBUH). I’ll try all
peaceful means to defend my profit and tell the world what Islam is all about (no flag burning or
bomb threats or any thing else of this sort).
On the other hand, I if were a Dane, I’ll probably act the same way they did. From the Danes responses, Its
obvious that freedom of speech for them is above every thing else. I also understand their feelings when they
got mad seeing their flag burned in front of their eyes.
So here it is, two different backgrounds with different POV and strong arguments so what should we do?
I think we spent enough time arguing and its time to get something useful out of this thread. Can we please
stop firing at each other and re-direct the discussion into something positive. I’d love to hear your
thoughts on how to fix the current conflict and have a friendly relationship and mutual respect in the
future. Try to keep the other side in your mind when you come up with any suggestion. Only a win-win
solution would get us to a common background. I’ll save my comments to the end:)
The Danes are known to be the most racist of all the Europeans. I am not a Moslim or a religious person but this is bullshit. This was a deliberate provocation and act of HATE. Fuck them and their products.
you say what i wanted to say fahad.. thank you and i wish the other side would think the same:)
Marcus….what a perfect exsamble of how to display your studiness and that you have no clue of whats going on. But one thing I have to tell you …read the history and you’ll see how wrong you are. You have nothing to back up your stupid coment. Marcus….GO BACK TO SLEEP 😉
Fahad, xxx and Nadia – I like you people for trying to put a positive attitude to this discussion – thank you!
Marcus – you are welcome in Denmark any day – I just love people like you, the objectiveness, intelligence and most of all you everlasting integrity – nice to have you onboard 😉
For win – win situation I see some different scenarios, taken into consideration this more and more is becoming a cultural crass:
• The conflict limits it self to Denmark vs. a rather unclear gathering of Muslim countries – Denmark loosed it’s former good image in Muslim countries and all it’s exports to the countries evolved (a great but expectable prize for the freedom of expression in Denmark) – the crises slowly fades out and Muslims learn to take less notice of the European internal press.
• The conflict becomes an all European vs. all Muslim conflict – the result is impossible to see at this moment – but one thing is for sure people of different culture in Europe and Muslim countries will build up real hatred toward on another (I don’t want to speculate in this any further as it makes me very sad!)
• Worldwide???
I know this might not be what a win – win situation should look like, but given that we are hastily passing the point of no return – more and more bomb and terror treats against Denmark, more and more European news papers reprinting the cartoons to underline the freedom of the press in European countries.
Most importantly of all, I am not always right, so there are probably many other scenarios and many of them a lot more positive then the ones I have chosen to display here – I’m seen very much forward to reading them as you get your fingers to the keyboard 🙂
UPS – expectable = Acceptable, sorry my bad!!!
Everyone is talking about the “Freedom of Speech”
Allow me to show everyone what that is all about. Apparently there are some people around the world that doesnt know the meaning of it or that its printed in universal law. READ it and learn.
From “Universal Declaration of Human Rights” Adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 217 A (III) of 10 December 1948.
Article 19:
“Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.”
I have just been seeing the News here ….and Im amazed of what I keep seeing …let me ask this:
A lot of muslim people say that Islam and the muslim people is a peaceful and and peace loving groupe of people ??? Where are they ???
I do not see any….I only see the people that threaten Danes….burn our flag…and lie about the Danes. All of that by muslims that doesnt even dare to show there face …..have there heads all covered up…Damn …what a sorry bunch of things ….I dont even want to call the people…becourse its not the action of a human beeing.
Do you muslim people really justify that ????
If not ….Why dont you speak up ???
Are you to afraid ??? I think you are….
Some of the Imans in Denmark say one thing to our press and when its to the muslim press they suddenly lie and tell another storie …..What the F… is the matter with you people. YOU ARE JUST TO MUCH
Well you all – if you have been watching al-Arabia for the last hour – you have also seen the Danish PM explaining his take on the situation and what our freedom of expression means. I really do believe that he is trying his outmost to bring this crisis to an end – so what is your take, could we put this one in the bag and move on?
some points for dan, what s going on with you.. it s normal to see danish flag burn all around islamic countries.. the problem that lot of non moslems dont know what the prophet “mohammed peace be upon him” means for moslems. in fact it s more than their parents..they would sucrifice their lives for the prophet.. do u get it now or not DAN? burning danish flag is the less expression of defending our prophet in addition of this buycott and so on.. about those who burn the danish flag and their faces re hidden i would like to say to DAN that only the palestinians re doing this bcos those belongs to the palestinian resistance that also face isreali occupation..so they hide their faces for not being known for isrealis…
and i would like to tell u all “dont judge islam by people but judge poeple by islam” read about islam and then judge who is moslem and who is not…moslem is not some1 who kill innocent people,moslem is not a terrorist, moslem is not some1 who deny all prophets including yours as chritians “jesus” …. why dont u think twice and learn about islam..the media neva tells u what islam is.. do u forget that islam has a great part in the world sciences revolution as your danish prime minister says few hours ago in Arabia channel..
islam offers rights but in the other side he puts limits… and if danish press has a freedom to say whatever , moslems have freedom to buy what they want…
peace be with all of you
i forget a point for DAN, u said that u just see moslems who threated dane,, wow didnt u see the islamic organizations in danmark which demanded the dane magazine and the dane government to appologize since the first appearnce of the cartoons on the magazine… it was peascefull isnt it?