Comments on: Violence, pornography, and the election

By: jason.c

jason.c — Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:49 +0000

I wish that all people could read comments from someone who really wants to help,its beutiful.I want
to get more deeper,if you want,here in this subject[porn].For some is good,for some is bad.let me take
people who doesn’t want to watch this sin,becouse they are good people and are being tempted everyday .
Becouse of this.On the other hand people,that want this sin,are destoyng themselves.Let me take wise people
that are also responsable of pornography,are wating money for sin,others use money to help for charity.Which one is right to you?Let me take women,some of them also married[a shame],are giving themselves for money-they don’t
care about themselves-not even movie stars-you think that money is going to forgive them,or god will?
One day jesus said:-“No one can serve both money and god in the same time-Which one will you serve?[luke16’13]
So god comes first and always will,in all that we do,see also[luke12,2-9],thanks,i hope you understand these words,not from me,but with the help of jesus,thanks jesus-say-I WANT TO LOVE YOU JESUS_BECOUSE WE ARE SINNERS_JESUS ALREADY ANSWERED US,amen

By: jason.c

jason.c — Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:31:22 +0000

I wish that all people could read comments from someone who really wants to help,its beautiful.I want to get more deeper here in this subject

By: jason.c

jason.c — Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:33:43 +0000

We all must pray our father that is
in heaven in order to stop wathing
this sin.Ok,we all have different sins,
but this seems to be a powerful weapon
from that,we all know who is.So now our
defence could be this-by praying.We must have
faith first,in order to work,becouse god
knows us well-he is waiting for us,waiting
to receive our praises and to talk with him.
Religion could be our most powerful defence-for
who believes well.We must pray our friend,our
saviour-jesus not only for help,but to thank
him also.Children these days,have a loss of discipline,
and responsability from there parents,i’m telling
you this becouse,I think that is why teenegers -especially
girls,woman whatever…are dressing badly;That’s why boys,
man whatever are having these temptations,Not everyone,
becouse many like these ways.I end here,to tell you
if we really love each other,we must pray for each other,
I wish i could continue,but i have a million more to say,THANKS.
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By: G. Tingey

G. Tingey — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:45:44 +0000

Sexual intimacy and nudity on TV?
Really?
Almost enough to make go out and get one – I gave TV up over 20 years ago, as the information-content, even then, was neagtive ….

By: Christopher Shell

Christopher Shell — Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:07:57 +0000

???
Clearly both would rise in the summer. Therefore summer is the parent and they are the children. And children (tho’ often as different as chalk from cheese) are related, albeit not related at one remove but at two removes.

By: tom p

tom p — Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:13:13 +0000

No. There is no relationship between increasing ice cream sales and increasing rape. They are just temporally coincidental. There is no ‘parent’, just a ridiculous argument.

By: Christopher Shell

Christopher Shell — Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:02:46 +0000

Joe – the point is well taken. Icecream sales, drowning and rape all rise in summer. Summer is therefore the ‘parent’, and the three ‘children’, though indirectly ‘related’, are (like some real children) as different as chalk and cheese. However, understanding of the precise relationship is advanced by sketching this family tree rather than by denying it.

By: Christopher Shell

Christopher Shell — Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:59:16 +0000

Actually, whether we like it or not, the main way of cutting down on any bad thing (whether drugs, gun violence, you name it) is simply not to view it as an option at all. Anyone who has grown up in an environment where it is not seen as an option is hugely less likely to indulge in it. Why? Because we all love to be normal, to ‘conform’. (I’ve always puzzled over the logic of ‘everyone’s doing it’ – why does it always seem to be BAD things that everyone is doing? Odd! Quite apart from the fact that even if everyone were doing it, that would be no reason to do it unless it were intrinsically worth doing.)

So in that sense, JB is right. Television does not prescribe what we do. Rather, it presents a worldview: certain things are seen as normal (whether or not they are actually normal – let alone right), and certain attitudes as well (no doubt the attitudes of the kind of people who work in television).

It’s a short step from being perceived as normal to becoming widespread.

By: Joe

Joe — Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:59:46 +0000

And please read my comments carefully – I was finding fault with Mr Beyer’s logic, not yours. He was quite clearly implying a direct causative relationship, specifically that (in this case) the portrayal of gun violence in any context whatsoever on television leads to actual gun violence in real life.

But since you mention your logic – the fact that it would be accurate to infer a relationship in the example you give is wholly specific to this example, rather than being somehow illustrative of some quality inherent to all correlations, and especially not to those previously under discussion.

By: Christopher Shell

Christopher Shell — Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:18:05 +0000

Of course! These are two of the most fundamental things in nature.

But to refute John Beyer’s point, you would have had to be using ‘natural’ in another sense, which was the sense I took you to mean.

Let’s speak of natural-1 = ‘basic to the natural world’ and natural 2 = ‘normal and therefore good’. I thought you meant ‘natural 2’, which would have been more relevant to the argument. But in fact you meant natural-1.

Natural-2 is an incoherent concept, since nothing is good by virtue of being normal. All sorts of bad things are also normal.

Natural-1 is a coherent concept, and moreover sex and nudity do indeed fall into the set of things which are natural-1.

But John Beyer knows very well that they are natural-1. Where has he suggested that they are not?

He is not treating the question of whether they are natural-1, but the question of whether they are good, helpful or beneficial in all circumstances. We can all think of circumstances in which they are none of these three things.

However did the false equation of natural with good/beneficial come about? One finds it everywhere, even in the doctor’s surgery, and doubtless also in the psychiatrist’s.